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The Will’s Capacity for Love – St. John of the Cross: Master of Contemplation with Fr. Donald Haggerty

Fr. Haggerty and Kris McGregor discuss materialism and the struggle for happiness in a consumer-driven world, highlighting the Gospel teaching that true fulfillment comes from losing oneself in love for God. Fr. Haggerty reflects on the nature of happiness through the lens of Thomistic theology, including the role of the human will in spiritual growth, as articulated by St. Thomas Aquinas and echoed in St. John of the Cross’s writings. He describes three operations of the will—desire, choice, and delight—demonstrating their spiritual implications in aligning one’s life with God’s will.

Fr. Haggerty also shares insights into asceticism and the deepening of one’s relationship with God through detachment from material desires. He reads a profound passage from St. John of the Cross, emphasizing the necessity of denying worldly attachments to attain union with God.

Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions

1. Identifying Sources of Happiness: Reflect on where you seek true happiness in life and how it aligns with your relationship with God.
2. Desiring God Above All: Examine the desires of your heart and consider if they lead you closer to union with God’s will.
3. Living Detachment: Contemplate areas in your life where material attachments hinder your spiritual growth and surrender them to God.
4. Understanding the Role of Suffering: Ponder how embracing life’s trials with faith can deepen your relationship with Christ and bring redemptive value.
5. Engaging the Will in Spiritual Life: Assess how your choices and actions reflect your commitment to aligning your will with God’s will.
6. Cultivating a Contemplative Heart: Explore how practices of prayer and asceticism can nurture your longing for God’s presence and intimacy.
7. Trusting Divine Providence: Consider how you can grow in trust that all circumstances in your life, including difficulties, are part of God’s providential plan.
8. Embracing Humility: Reflect on how humility allows the soul to rest in God and fosters a deeper openness to His grace.

An excerpt from St. John of the Cross: Master of Contemplation

“For Saint John of the Cross, it is not simply the pleasures and enjoyments of the senses in themselves that are the crux of the problem. The human experience of sense satisfaction is unavoidable. Even the desert monks of the early Christian centuries, who took on extreme physical hardships, no doubt preferred the taste of one cooked leaf to another or found one cool spring of water a better choice over another. The Gospel recounts that Saint John the Baptist, in his desert, along with his consumption of the unpalatable locusts, survived also on honey. The Christian perspective in this matter, when it is healthy, advocates a balanced approach. It does not propose a denigration of bodily life to the point of destroying or damaging it. We are an inseparable unity of body and soul as human persons, and bodily life has a sacred dimension, a truth that has far-reaching consequences in morality. But that unity of body and soul is precisely the point and the issue of importance in asceticism. Nothing of bodily life can be lived as though detached from the soul’s existence.

Even more to the point, bodily pursuits inevitably engage the will. The will and its desires remain always in a kind of dynamic consort with bodily, emotional, and intellectual activity. At the same time, the will is a primary reality in our lives by the manner in which it cooperates with or rebels against the graced invitations of God. Seeking union with God demands a deeply rooted determination of our soul to give our will fully in love to God. This cannot be accomplished without the desires of the will aligning themselves with the goal of a union with God’s will in all facets of bodily, emotional, and intellectual life. Most importantly, the will is the faculty of love in the soul. The will must be empty of desires for gratification if by a great love it is to seek for God as a primary desire. All that touches and enters into the desires of the will is crucial for the possibility of a union with God by means of love. It remains now to explain how the will in its capacity for love is affected by the principles of self-denial and asceticism. These two statements from book 2 of The Ascent to Mount Carmel in effect define the nature of sanctity and at the same time express the essential importance of the will’s purification in sanctity.”

Haggerty, Donald. Saint John of the Cross: Master of Contemplation (pp. 107-108). Ignatius Press. Kindle Edition.

For more episodes in this series visit Fr. Haggerty’s Discerning Hearts page here

You find the book on which this series is based here.

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Pure Faith in Contemplative Prayer – St. John of the Cross: Master of Contemplation with Fr. Donald Haggerty

Fr. Haggerty explains the natural evolution of prayer, such as the Rosary, which may simplify over time as the soul becomes more attuned to God. This simplification reflects a deeper spiritual maturity, where prayer focuses less on intellectual or visual stimulation and more on surrender and love.

Faith and love guide us through the “darkness” of contemplation, leading the soul toward a hidden encounter with God. He shares the image of a blind man led by faith and love to illustrate the trust and surrender needed in the contemplative journey.

There are challenges in solitary prayer, and we must be cautious of self-oriented desires for spiritual experiences. True contemplative prayer involves surrendering expectations and allowing God to guide the soul in unpredictable ways.  This profound journey of prayer is not about techniques or methods but a personal encounter with God, supported by silence and the fruits of love and service.

Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions

1. Simplicity in Prayer: How has your prayer life evolved over time, and do you find yourself drawn toward a simpler, more heartfelt approach?
2. Faith and Love as Guides: In what ways do you trust faith and love to lead you through spiritual darkness or uncertainty in your journey with God?
3. Encounter vs. Knowledge: Do you prioritize knowing about God intellectually, or do you seek a deeper, personal encounter with His presence in your prayer?
4. Authentic Transformation: How does your prayer life inspire changes in your daily actions, particularly in demonstrating greater love, humility, and charity?
5. Surrendering Expectations: Are you willing to let go of specific expectations or desired experiences in prayer to allow God to work freely within you?
6. Silent Commitment: How can you incorporate moments of silence into your daily routine to foster a deeper relationship with God?
7. Seeing Christ in Others: How do you encounter Christ in the poor, the suffering, or those in need around you, and how does this shape your spiritual life?
8. Praying for Others: Is your prayer life marked by acts of charity, such as interceding for strangers, the dying, or those in crisis, beyond your personal intentions?
9. Avoiding Spiritual Self-Absorption: How can you ensure that your prayer does not become self-focused but remains a genuine offering of love and surrender to God?
10. Living the Fruits of the Spirit: What evidence of the fruits of the Spirit—like peace, patience, and kindness—do you see as a result of your contemplative practices?

An excerpt from St. John of the Cross: Master of Contemplation

“In this case, under the influence of deeper faith, the cooperation involves a mortification by the intellect: an emptying of the desire for spiritual gratifications that can be enjoyed by the intellect in the life of prayer. These can be sought in a way that becomes an impediment to the pure pursuit of God for himself alone. A “complete pacification of the spiritual house” (AMC 2.1.2) is required that will “quiet down” the impulse to pursue experiences of an intellectual or imaginative satisfaction in prayer. This “ascetical” task for the intellect in the interior life of prayer entails, in a telling phrase, “the negation through pure faith of all the spiritual faculties and gratifications and appetites” (AMC 2.1.2). What this “pure faith” will mean as a virtue of the intellect in contemplation needs to be explained with some care. For the intellect must cooperate in its own purification precisely through this exercise of pure faith. Taking us farther along in explanation, and referring to the stanza of his poem, Saint John of the Cross comments: “The soul, consequently, affirms that it departed ‘in darkness, and secure.’ For anyone fortunate enough to possess the ability to journey in the obscurity of faith, as do the blind with their guide, and depart from all natural phantasms [images] and intellectual reasonings, walks securely. . . . For the less a soul works with its own abilities, the more securely it proceeds, because its progress in faith is greater” (AMC 2.1.2, 3).”

Haggerty, Donald. Saint John of the Cross: Master of Contemplation (pp. 67-68). Ignatius Press. Kindle Edition.

For more episodes in this series visit Fr. Haggerty’s Discerning Hearts page here

You find the book on which this series is based here.

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Contemplative Faith: Certitude in Darkness – St. John of the Cross: Master of Contemplation with Fr. Donald Haggerty

Fr. Haggerty and Kris McGregor discuss the interconnectedness of saints, using examples like St. Thérèse of Lisieux, who embraced St. John’s teachings, influencing others like St. Teresa of Calcutta. Pope St. John Paul II’s deep engagement with St. John’s work, particularly his doctoral dissertation on the experiential impact of faith, which explores how deeper prayer transforms our understanding of God’s presence and our relationship with Him.

Contemplative prayer leads to greater certitude in faith, even as it brings “darkness” to the intellect, requiring trust in God’s unseen presence. This shift often involves a loss of emotional consolations or insights but marks an entry into the mystery of God’s indwelling presence. He encourages integrating scripture into prayer to listen to God’s timeless word personally. As prayer life matures, it becomes simpler yet more profound, as seen in devotions like the Rosary.

The journey of contemplation, marked by silence, trust, and receptivity, deepens our love and union with God, transforming both prayer and life itself.

Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions

1. 1. The Influence of Saints: How do the lives and teachings of saints inspire and shape your own spiritual journey?
2. 2. Trust in God’s Presence: In moments of silence or spiritual “darkness,” how do you deepen your trust in God’s unseen presence?
3. 3. Scripture as Living Word: How can you integrate scripture into your prayer life to hear God speaking personally to you?
4. 4. Simplicity in Prayer: As you grow in faith, how can you embrace simplicity and childlike trust in your prayer practices?
5. 5. Transition in Spiritual Life: How do you respond to changes in your prayer experience, such as the loss of emotional consolations or vivid insights?
6. 6. Certitude vs. Clarity: How does your faith sustain you when certainty in God’s presence doesn’t bring intellectual or emotional clarity?
7. 7. Role of Contemplative Prayer: How does contemplative prayer deepen your awareness of God’s indwelling presence in your life?

An excerpt from St. John of the Cross: Master of Contemplation 

“What can be the reason for this experience in prayer? Saint John of the Cross affirms that supernatural faith, inasmuch as it places us in an immediate contact with God, affects the intellect in a strangely painful way with the onset of contemplative graces. The truths of revelation that the intellect embraces in faith now seem to surpass comprehension in a manner unlike any previous experience in prayer. A deeper understanding of theological faith can explain why this occurs. It is inadequate to conceive of our faith as simply an assent by our mind to truths that are then held securely with personal conviction. This is not at all the full picture. On a very personal level, in our relations with God himself, faith is a kind of real conduit into the actual mystery of God. As a theological virtue, it unites the intellect quite directly and immediately to the mystery of God. The effect of this union, depending on a soul’s closeness to God, is to stretch the intellect beyond what it can assimilate in its natural capacity. The result in the time of interior prayer is a painful experience of obscurity within the intellect toward the God of ultimate mystery known personally in faith. This is not an experience of dark doubts about God. Rather, it is as though a light has begun to shine too brightly, preventing our eyes from seeing what is there in front of us. The closer we approach the light of God, the more his presence blinds us. The ordinary act of comprehension in regard to natural objects of knowledge does not function in this way. But when the knowledge is of God himself in his immediate personal presence to the soul, the consequence is vastly different.”

Haggerty, Donald. Saint John of the Cross: Master of Contemplation (pp. 67-68). Ignatius Press. Kindle Edition.

For more episodes in this series visit Fr. Haggerty’s Discerning Hearts page here

You find the book on which this series is based here.

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The Hiding Place of the Beloved – St. John of the Cross: Master of Contemplation with Fr. Donald Haggerty

In this introductory episode, Father Donald Haggerty and Kris McGregor discuss the spiritual depth and teachings of St. John of the Cross and his role as a “Master of Contemplation.” St. John of the Cross is portrayed as a mystic and poet whose writings lead believers to a deeper union with God.

St. John’s insights, such as those in his poetry and writings like the Spiritual Canticle, were often birthed from profound suffering, including his imprisonment. This hiddenness of God—where He seems absent but is present in a concealed way—forms a central theme. The longing for God in prayer, even in silence and dryness, is a means of growing in spiritual depth, aligning with John’s teaching that God uses such longing to draw souls closer to Him.

His teachings on love and detachment resonate in the lives of saints like St. Thérèse of Lisieux and St. Teresa of Calcutta, who lived out his call to love in small, selfless acts. Contemplative prayer isn’t a technique but a relational journey toward God, requiring a stripping away of distractions and desires. St. John’s suffering in prison also became a crucible for spiritual beauty, producing poetry that communicates profound truths about God’s presence and longing for the soul.

Discerning Hearts Reflection Questions

1. The Hiddenness of God in Prayer: How have you experienced God’s presence as both hidden and mysteriously near in your prayer life?
2. Longing for Union with God: In what ways can you embrace the longing for God as a central part of your spiritual journey?
3. Learning from Suffering: How can the trials in your life, like St. John of the Cross’s imprisonment, become opportunities for spiritual growth and deeper intimacy with God?
4. The Call to Contemplative Prayer: How can you move beyond methods and activities in prayer to focus on cultivating a quiet, loving presence with God?
5. Living Love in Small Acts: How can you demonstrate love for God and others in small, selfless ways in your daily life, inspired by saints like St. Thérèse and Mother Teresa?
6. Detachment and Freedom: What desires or distractions might you need to surrender to grow in deeper union with God?
7. Finding God in the Ordinary: How can you better recognize and serve Christ in the hidden and ordinary moments of your day?
8. Reflecting on St. John’s Writings: How can the poetry and teachings of St. John of the Cross inspire a new depth in your spiritual life?

Here is the excerpt from the Spiritual Canticle by St. John of the Cross that Fr. Haggerty references in the podcast:

SONG OF THE SOUL AND THE BRIDEGROOM

I
THE BRIDE

Where have You hidden Yourself,
And abandoned me in my groaning, O my Beloved? You have fled like the hart,
Having wounded me.
I ran after You, crying; but You were gone.

II

O shepherds, you who go
Through the sheepcots up the hill, If you shall see Him
Whom I love the most,
Tell Him I languish, suffer, and die.

III

In search of my Love
I will go over mountains and strands;
I will gather no flowers,
I will fear no wild beasts;
And pass by the mighty and the frontiers.

IV

O groves and thickets
Planted by the hand of the Beloved; O verdant meads
Enameled with flowers,
Tell me, has He passed by you?

Where have you hidden,
Beloved, and left me moaning?
You fled like the stag
after wounding me;

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I went out calling you, but you were gone. This initial stanza of “The Spiritual Canticle” unlocks the bolt of a door, allowing us a first glimpse at the soul of Saint John of the Cross and his intense love for God. In these opening lines of a lengthy poem, we hear the agonized voice of a lover tormented by her solitude, in a terrible suffering after the departure of her Beloved. The piercing lament of the bride, wounded in the depth of her soul, is an image of the lover of God who seeks for his return after earlier enjoying his close presence. The mood of loneliness in the poem will shift over the course of its forty stanzas to a recognition of the Beloved’s presence even in his concealment. But for now, as the poem commences, the pain is strong and irremediable. Many of the stanzas of this exquisite poem, full of lush natural images, were composed by Saint John of the Cross without pen or paper, the stanzas kept in his memory, while he was locked in a windowless, six-by-ten-foot converted closet, with only a thin slit of light high up in a wall. That room served as a makeshift prison cell in the Calced Carmelite Friars’ monastery in Toledo, Spain, for nine months of his life, from December 1577 until August 1578. Only in the very last period of the nine months did he receive pen and paper from a sympathetic friar serving as his jailer and write down verses. He later recounted to Carmelite nuns that another important poem, “The Dark Night”, was completed before he left that prison cell.

Haggerty, Donald. Saint John of the Cross: Master of Contemplation (pp. 18-19). Ignatius Press. Kindle Edition.

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For more episodes in this series visit Fr. Haggerty’s Discerning Hearts page here

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You find the book on which this series is based here.